Had no idea this was actually a thing
Had no idea this was actually a thing
LS1 Volvo Thread
Previously owned - MkV R32 #3917, 2008 Silverado 1500 VHO 4x4
You forgot your lunch today. Do you A: pollute into my atmosphere more to drive to the store, B: DoorDash food and have someone else pollute into my air to your request, or C: starve. I hope you'll starve before you hurt Earths atmosphere.
Back on topic, I don't personally warm up cars in California because I have no need to. At most in Northern AZ I would warm up my 16V if I needed the defroster to work after getting the snow off the windshield.
I wouldn't personally leave any of my cars running and unattended (LEAF was an exception; I'd used the mobile app to turn it on to preheat or cool it, but it shuts off automatically when the door is opened), so I don't take issue with the ticket if that's the reason why it was issued. It's also an ineffective way to warm a car up, so I won't do it unless like I said above you need some time to defrost a stubborn windshield.
winter is here, so I need to idle the car before I can drive it to warm it up. so, when it's 10 degrees out and your windshield is covered in ice, what is the best method for clearing it? freeze outside with a plastic scraper? freeze in the car using the washer fluid? wait in the house with a cup of coffee? no idle laws here, so I know which one I'm choosing. deal with it.
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The problem arises from so many stolen cars. City of Atlanta averages over 100 cars stolen every month. Leaving the car running makes it easy for the crooks. The problem is that it's easier to ticket a citizen than it is to car chase a stolen car then a foot chase after they crash followed with a use of force. Media and liberals blame the cops for the car chase. Media and liberals blame the cops for using force to arrest the violent criminals. Atlanta cops can't even chase a stolen car unless it was from a recent car jacking by a armed person. If your car gets stolen in Atlanta the cops are instructed to not even follow it.
All of my cars have cats and would pass emissions easily, if we had such a thing. Not to mention all of the light duty diesel trucks, be it your average contractor truck or your brodozer type. A couple 4 bangers and small 6 isn't anything worth batting an eye at.
Here's the thing:
Phoenix avg. Jan low temp: 43
Green Bay avg. Jan. low temp: 9
I don't care what you think about my car idling for 2-5 mins while I scrape ice and the defroster attempts to function. You can't tell me that people in your area don't do the exact same thing in summer while waiting for the car to "cool down."
To be fair I'd be more concerned about off highway emissions in my area, as it's very industrialized in addition to being historically very fertile farming land. Law enforcement leave their vehicles running 24/7/365. Taxis and Uber etc do too.
At what point do we decide who can do this and who can't? And where?
Wow, I cant believe how many people are vehemently for massive fines for idling an engine for more than a few minutes Clearly they've never experienced real cold, that turns your transmission and clutch fluid into cement. And many of the cars I've owned never even had a spare key, and I don't live in a sketchy-ass area so my car is never locked unless I'm parked in Sheboygan.
FYI, I rarely wait more than 15 seconds, but if I have an opportunity I'll let it warm up for a minute or two.
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A few minutes? No problem.
Neighbors who idle their modded borla lifted Truck & SUV exhaust for hours at midnight to 3am ona Tuesday are inconsiderate. Did I mention their head lights are always on? The kid has no clothes for school the next day, but Mommy & Daddy have the latest trucks in their rental house.
I'd much rather see distracted driving aka cell phone holders ticketed. Never thought I'd agree to that, but that time has come.
As a citizen I'm not comfortable with any of those scenarios, there are bigger fish to fry with an increasingly tighter budget for man hours, training, and upgrading equipment.
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I do not think it should be legal (due to pollution) and it is not legal here either.
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wouldnt it also be polluting the exact same amount to just sit in the car with it running?
what about the pollution caused by forgetting something and needing to make multiple trips?
or the pollution caused by simply going to the store 3 times per week instead of once?
this fine ISNT about the pollution prevention in pretty much all instances (obviously there are always some small amount of exceptions).
if they honestly want to prevent pollution then they need to ban ICE vehicles completely. the amount of pollution from unattended idling cars is much smaller than the overall ICE pollution numbers no matter what time frame or location you select.