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      Turkish security personnel attacks protesters

      ... In the US.

      This really should be getting more airtime.



      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nce-us-concern


      US voices 'strongest possible' concern over violence during Erdoğan's visit
      State department ‘communicating concern’ to Turkish government after brawl between Turkish security personnel and protesters injured 11

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      "We are communicating our concern to the Turkish government in the strongest possible terms,” state department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said in a statement.

      Video of the incident showed men in dark suits chasing anti-government protesters and punching and kicking them as police intervened. Two men were bloodied from head wounds as bystanders assisted dazed protesters.

      Turkey’s official Anadolu state news agency reported that protesters were chanting anti-Erdoğan slogans as the president entered the residence after meeting Donald Trump to discuss the fight against Islamic State militants.

      “Police did not heed Turkish demands to intervene,” the news agency said, and Erdoğan’s security team and Turkish citizens moved in and “dispersed them”.


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      In a statement, Washington mayor Muriel Bowser called the violence “an affront to D.C. (District of Columbia) values and our rights as Americans”.

      Mehmet Tankan, 31, said he was one of a dozen protesters outside the ambassador’s residence chanting slogans condemning Erdoğan for supporting Islamic extremists and opposing political rights for Turkey’s Kurds when the brawl broke out.

      Seven security personnel, some of them carrying firearms, rushed up and began punching him, bruising him all over his body, Tankan said by phone.

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      Definite attack on free speech.
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      Wow.

      That's going to go over like a fart in church.
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      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      ... In the US.

      This really should be getting more airtime.
      Its a batch of bull****, is what it is. I have a problem with foreign security carrying firearms outside of their embassy grounds, but I am not sure I understand the rules on that.

      Foreign diplomats/security assaulting people on US soil? GFYS.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      Its a batch of bull****, is what it is. I have a problem with foreign security carrying firearms outside of their embassy grounds, but I am not sure I understand the rules on that.

      Foreign diplomats/security assaulting people on US soil? GFYS.
      I wont be surprised if one of the assaulted protester was a US Citizen but as show in the movies.


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      Quote Originally Posted by bubuski View Post
      I wont be surprised if one of the assaulted protester was a US Citizen but as show in the movies.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      I know how that movie ends.
      Hugs all around?

      Wow. Apparently Turkey ppl forgot they're in 'Murica? Where we allow free protesting? Although I wonder if there's a folder on a desk somewhere with "Benghazi Reciprocity" on it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bubuski View Post
      I wont be surprised if one of the assaulted protester was a US Citizen but as show in the movies.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      Its a batch of bull****, is what it is. I have a problem with foreign security carrying firearms outside of their embassy grounds, but I am not sure I understand the rules on that.
      As we talked about in the Ramstein airman car discussion... It's all about reciprocity. I'm nearly 100% certain that DS and USSS details in Turkey are armed. So, I would assume we have to allow the same?

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      Couldn't tell what was going on, too chaotic in the video.

      Since the Turkish security didn't use lethal force on anyone, I doubt this will go anywhere. The goons will be reassigned and replaced with new goons.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GoHomePossum View Post
      ...Since the Turkish security didn't use lethal force on anyone...
      They appear to have left the embassy compound solely to administer beat-downs on political opponents who presented no threat. I believe that's a diplomatic incident somewhere between a faux-pas and a kerfluffle. If it turns out to actually be a kerfluffle, god help us all.

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      That’s as crazy as SA or SS beating up anti Nazi protestors at the German embassy in DC, in 1934 or so. They should have received a severe beating or two, a lecture explaining the error of their ways, and then been swiftly deported.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kar98 View Post
      That’s as crazy as SA or SS beating up anti Nazi protestors at the German embassy in DC, in 1934 or so. They should have received a severe beating or two, a lecture explaining the error of their ways, and then been swiftly deported.
      Deported? We can't even deport many felons that are asylees or even completely illegal depending on their home country.

      We sure as **** can't deport someone on an "A" visa... We can ask the Turks to send them home, but that will result in the Turks sending home an equal amount of our diplomats from Turkey.


      Once again... it's all about reciprocity. And we're getting played hardcore.

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      i would not be too surprised if the current administration gave them a pat on the back. this will go nowhere other than a few PR statements and maybe a guy or two getting reassigned, for posterity sake.

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      Quote Originally Posted by vwtool View Post
      They appear to have left the embassy compound solely to administer beat-downs on political opponents who presented no threat. I believe that's a diplomatic incident somewhere between a faux-pas and a kerfluffle. If it turns out to actually be a kerfluffle, god help us all.
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      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      As we talked about in the Ramstein airman car discussion... It's all about reciprocity. I'm nearly 100% certain that DS and USSS details in Turkey are armed. So, I would assume we have to allow the same?
      I thought about that, but then I decided that I wan't the US to be special. I know we are armed ON the compound, but other than escorting principals off-compound, what are the requirements? I doubt marines or DS at embassy anywhere.world are allowed on paper to just leave the compound and rough up people they don't like. Maybe they do in practice and I am just naive, but honestly I don't ever remember anything like this occurring in DC before. I am sure I can be proven wrong, but growing up i remember embassy row, frequent but well mannered protests at any number of embassy addresses - not foreign security coming out to rough up americans.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      I thought about that, but then I decided that I wan't the US to be special. I know we are armed ON the compound, but other than escorting principals off-compound, what are the requirements? I doubt marines or DS at embassy anywhere.world are allowed on paper to just leave the compound and rough up people they don't like.
      Certainly no where in the 1st world.

      I've only seen a handful of MSGs that would walk around armed inside the walls, and even that's rare.
      It's typically reserved for when there are high threats/violent protests, or REACT exercises. Host nations provide all security (various states of arm) outside the gates.

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      Quote Originally Posted by WhineMCABasket2.0t View Post
      i would not be too surprised if the current administration gave them a pat on the back. this will go nowhere other than a few PR statements and maybe a guy or two getting reassigned, for posterity sake.
      Right?

      I am surprised this wasn't covered more. I saw it very briefly on MSNBC last night. That was the only coverage I saw.
      This should not be allowed. The current administration is concerned about immigrants causing crime and violence on citizens, yet nothing will happen here. I understand PR is important, but so is an attack on Americans.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Surf Green View Post
      Certainly no where in the 1st world.

      I've only seen a handful of MSGs that would walk around armed inside the walls, and even that's rare.
      It's typically reserved for when there are high threats/violent protests, or REACT exercises. Host nations provide all security (various states of arm) outside the gates.
      That's what I always understood.
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      This got more local news coverage than it got national 24 hour coverage. I saw more talk about it from the BBC than I did CNN or Fox.

      "His visit was overshadowed by violence outside the Turkish ambassador's home.

      Police in Washington said the clash "appeared to be a brutal attack on peaceful protesters" and video footage showed men in suits charging past police to kick and punch a group of demonstrators.

      The US state department said Turkish security guards had been involved in the clash but Turkey blamed the protesters for the disturbance."

      Gotta love our State Department for being completely without balls of any type.

      This pisses me off. They were American citizens on public property. They were not on Turkish grounds. What angered me even more was that DC seemed to assign only the fattest and slowest cops to separate two groups who very obviously need a blue line between them.

      Now, Turkey is expelling our envoy from Turkey because we might be supporting Kurdish militants (definitely in Syria but probably not within Turkey itself although there is going to be some spill over). Again, read about that on the BBC, not on any American agencies.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MCTB View Post
      This got more local news coverage than it got national 24 hour coverage. I saw more talk about it from the BBC than I did CNN or Fox.

      "His visit was overshadowed by violence outside the Turkish ambassador's home.

      Police in Washington said the clash "appeared to be a brutal attack on peaceful protesters" and video footage showed men in suits charging past police to kick and punch a group of demonstrators.

      The US state department said Turkish security guards had been involved in the clash but Turkey blamed the protesters for the disturbance."

      Gotta love our State Department for being completely without balls of any type.

      This pisses me off. They were American citizens on public property. They were not on Turkish grounds. What angered me even more was that DC seemed to assign only the fattest and slowest cops to separate two groups who very obviously need a blue line between them.

      Now, Turkey is expelling our envoy from Turkey because we might be supporting Kurdish militants (definitely in Syria but probably not within Turkey itself although there is going to be some spill over). Again, read about that on the BBC, not on any American agencies.
      It really pisses me off too. It's ridiculous you have to get this news on BBC too. But I am seeing more on it now.


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      Quote Originally Posted by 2ohgti View Post
      It really pisses me off too. It's ridiculous you have to get this news on BBC too. But I am seeing more on it now.


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      I check MSN a few times a day and there has been no mention of it. #fakenews, indeed. Who TF cares about the Brits?
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      Local news now reporting there's a second video showing Erdogan getting into his car, one of his henchmen leaning in after him, then talking to another one, then they both head out towards the protesters with all the other guys. Looks like Erdogan commanded them to do it... Surprise.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      I thought about that, but then I decided that I wan't the US to be special. I know we are armed ON the compound, but other than escorting principals off-compound, what are the requirements? I doubt marines or DS at embassy anywhere.world are allowed on paper to just leave the compound and rough up people they don't like. Maybe they do in practice and I am just naive, but honestly I don't ever remember anything like this occurring in DC before. I am sure I can be proven wrong, but growing up i remember embassy row, frequent but well mannered protests at any number of embassy addresses - not foreign security coming out to rough up americans.
      Definitely not... we pay the locals to do it instead.


      I wasn't trying to compare our personal protective details being armed off site to Erdogan's thugs attacking protesters...

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