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      OK, so does this mean that when the US finally gets an MQB version of the Jetta, the platform will have just been replaced with MQB2 for Europe?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      I expect wide application of 48 volt mild-hybrid gasoline powertrains and much less emphasis on diesel going forward.
      VW hasn't been big on mild-hybrid. Engine start-stop is surely to be across the board, and it wouldn't surprise me if the hybrid system that was built into the Jetta Hybrid, Audi A3 etc sees much greater use ... but this is a real hybrid system, not a mild one!

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      Quote Originally Posted by GoFaster View Post
      VW hasn't been big on mild-hybrid. Engine start-stop is surely to be across the board, and it wouldn't surprise me if the hybrid system that was built into the Jetta Hybrid, Audi A3 etc sees much greater use ... but this is a real hybrid system, not a mild one!
      I really like the 1.4T, im curious to see how it responds to start-stop.

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      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      OK, so does this mean that when the US finally gets an MQB version of the Jetta, the platform will have just been replaced with MQB2 for Europe?
      AFAIK they are about to start building them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      OK, so does this mean that when the US finally gets an MQB version of the Jetta, the platform will have just been replaced with MQB2 for Europe?
      MQB is as much about flexible manufacturing and quick-to-engineer new cars as anything else. The next generation will simply be MQB cars, not “MQB 2”.

      With much of the engineering already done, each generation will be cheaper to build because there’s no need to build up underlying structures since they already exist. If underpins all transverse-engine vehicles from the Polo to the Atlas and much of those two are the same underneath.
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      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      OK, so does this mean that when the US finally gets an MQB version of the Jetta, the platform will have just been replaced with MQB2 for Europe?
      It's highly likely that the Golf 8 will remain MQB and as a result, will share many hidden and underside bits and pieces with Golf 7 (and the MQB Jetta).

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      2020 VW Golf Spied Showing Off Cabin And Engine

      Production of the next-gen Golf doesn't start for over a year, but new spy shots give us an amazing looks at it.
      The next-gen Volkswagen Golf has been spotted testing, and the engineers apparently didn't see much reason to keep the model under wraps because they left the hood up and the cabin largely exposed. It's rare to get such a good look at an upcoming model, but the shots tell us a lot about the new hatchback.

      There's no obvious camouflage on this Golf test mule, and its design suggests that VW's designers plan only small changes for the vehicle (see comparison above). The revised front end appears slightly blunter than the current model. At the rear, the a C-pillar looks more upright, which makes the eighth-generation Golf appear more boxy than the existing one.

      Underneath the skin, the new Golf reportedly rides on a modified version of the venerable MQB platform. An increased use of lightweight materials allegedly helps the hatchback shed around 110 pounds (50 kilograms). VW also intends to offer a variety of engines with a 48-volt mild hybrid system for improving fuel economy. The company's increased use of cylinder shut-off and engine-off coasting would also improve efficiency.

      The photos under the hood don't provide a clear view of this new tech. At this point, the Golf's engine bay still looks fairly messy with lots of visible wires and tubes.

      Inside, the development team still appears to have a lot of work to do, too. However, it's clear what VW is planning. A digital screen sits in the instrument panel, indicating this tech would be available. A blank housing on the center stack suggests there could be a display for infotainment and HVAC controls there, too. This one features an automatic gearbox, but a manual would still be available, too.

      VW will invest the equivalent of $3.5 billion into its Wolfsburg factory in Germany, and much of this money will be for building the eighth-gen Golf. The company's venerable hatchback will begin production in June 2019, and European sales will start in the fourth quarter of the year.

      VW will begin production of the eighth-generation in June 2019, and they'll go on sale in the fourth quarter of that year.
      https://www.motor1.com/news/239306/e...en-golf-spied/
















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      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      I expect wide application of 48 volt mild-hybrid gasoline powertrains and much less emphasis on diesel going forward.
      VW also intends to offer a variety of engines with a 48-volt mild hybrid system for improving fuel economy. The company's increased use of cylinder shut-off and engine-off coasting would also improve efficiency.


      A digital screen sits in the instrument panel, indicating this tech would be available. A blank housing on the center stack suggests there could be a display for infotainment and HVAC controls there, too.
      Uh the current E-Golf has a digital cockpit available, so don't know why this is a surprise?

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      so that is a near final exterior form?

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      Quote Originally Posted by badsmell View Post
      so that is a near final exterior form?
      No, that is a "mule"...the old body hiding the new platform and drivetrain.

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      Other things:

      *Why are they bringing a monostable shifter out given all the trouble FCA had with theirs?
      *Hankook tires are appearing as OEM on a bunch of big non-Korean brands; noticed Ford is using them now too. Guess they don't suck anymore?

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      Quote Originally Posted by badsmell View Post
      so that is a near final exterior form?
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      No, the real enthusiast vehicle would be the RX8. It combines V12 Lamborghini gas mileage with Hyundai Genesis 4cyl. performance.

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      2020 Volkswagen Golf spy shots

      A test mule for the next-generation Volkswagen Golf, the nameplate's eighth iteration, has been spotted.

      A test mule is where the new mechanical package is hidden beneath the makeshift body of another model, in this case the current seventh-generation Golf.

      The new Golf will look different to what you see here. VW's Golf GTE Sport concept unveiled at the 2015 Wörthersee Tour is thought to hint at the design.



      We know the dimensions won't change all that much, however the extended tail section on the test mule suggests a bigger rump is planned. Underpinning the vehicle will be an updated version of the current Golf's MQB modular platform.

      Like the exterior, the interior setup is only temporary. However, we can see the engineers are testing the car with a digital instrument cluster. This should be joined by a large infotainment touchscreen in the center stack on the production model. A third screen might also be fitted for the climate control. Such a design was previewed in 2015's Golf R Touch concept.

      The tech won't end there, though. VW has confirmed there will be more connectivity, including a permanent web connection. Some level of self-driving capability will also be present.



      It's too early to talk powertrains but expect small capacity turbocharged engines in gasoline and diesel flavors, though only the former will make it to the United States. A plug-in hybrid will also be part of the lineup.

      We don't expect a repeat of the electric e-Golf this time. That's because VW will launch a dedicated electric hatch in 2020 based on its ID concept from the 2016 Paris auto show.

      The new Golf will enter production in June 2019, suggesting we'll see it as a 2020 model—unless VW decides to delay it for the U.S. like it did with the current Golf. VW's main plant in Wolfsburg, Germany is expected to become the sole site for Golf production from the new generation on.
      https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...golf-spy-shots












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      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      Other things:

      *Why are they bringing a monostable shifter out given all the trouble FCA had with theirs?
      *Hankook tires are appearing as OEM on a bunch of big non-Korean brands; noticed Ford is using them now too. Guess they don't suck anymore?
      Huh? Well because like most things FCA does, it was done incredibly half-assed and with little critical thinking. These electronic monostable shifters have been around for a while, Mercedes started using them in 2006/2007, I won't even mention BMW, why should they not be used because of one idiotic design?

      The fact that they didn't have a fail safe that would've shifted the car in Park automatically should the door be opened is nothing more than negligence on the part of FCA. In my BMW, the only way I can move the car with the door open is if I'm buckled in. it'll shift into Park and give me a visual/acoustic warning if I try to move otherwise.
      Quote Originally Posted by KevinC View Post

      If the next GTI has over 300 hp off the showroom floor, I'll eat my airedale.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Double-V View Post

      There's no obvious camouflage on this Golf test mule, and its design suggests that VW's designers plan only small changes for the vehicle (see comparison above). The revised front end appears slightly blunter than the current model. At the rear, the a C-pillar looks more upright, which makes the eighth-generation Golf appear more boxy than the existing one.
      the quote is a bit misleading

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      Volkswagen Golf 8 Mild Hybrid Officially Announced

      The 48-volt mild hybrid system will not only improve efficiency, but it's also going to provide an electric boost upon startup.
      After announcing plans to kick off production of the eighth-generation Golf in June 2019, Volkswagen has now shared a little bit more details about the next iteration of its best-selling model. The VW Group’s core brand is working on an all-new mild hybrid system with 48-volt technology and it will be first implemented in the next Golf to provide improved fuel economy. Following its introduction in the mild hybrid electric vehicle (MHEV) version of the popular compact model, the setup will eventually be installed across the lineup.

      For the time being, VW isn’t going into too many details, but it does say the combustion engine will be teamed up with a 48-volt belt-integrated starter generation and a 48-volt battery. The mild hybrid system will allow the Golf 8 to coast with the ICE turned off entirely and save up to 0.3 liters / 100 km. If this sounds a bit familiar, it’s because the recently launched (in Europe) Golf 1.5 TSI ACT BlueMotion has what VW describes as being a micro-hybrid system with an advanced coasting function that does basically the same thing. Once the driver releases the accelerator pedal, the clutch is disengaged and the engine shuts off, but this happens only in certain conditions like when going down a slope.


      Image above shows the new 48-V belt-integrated starter generator, 48-V battery, and the DC/DC converter.

      Getting back to the mild hybrid system, VW mentions it will give the new Golf an electric boost upon startup by providing extra torque once the driver fires up the engine. The generator’s power is channeled through a belt and the combustion engine is actually turned on by that generator. VW explains the entire system is being developed as to switch off the engine "as much as possible while the vehicle is moving – in a barely perceptible way.”

      In regards to the 48-volt lithium-ion battery pack, its role is to feed the starter generator with the necessary voltage, while the regular 12-volt power supply gets the required voltage from the DC/DC converter. The system will benefit from an energy recovery system, so it will be possible to charge the battery on the go while the car is slowing down.

      The next-gen Golf will be going on sale in Europe next year when VW is also going to introduce its first I.D. production model, an all-electric compact hatchback.

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      Volkswagen to offer electrified versions of its models

      Extensive hybrid programme for the next Golf is the starting point for the comprehensive electrification of conventional drives
      New 48-V mild hybrid is the first step into the world of efficient electrified models
      48-V starter generator is a versatile all-rounder
      Volkswagen is to launch an electric version of its globally best-selling vehicle – the Volkswagen Golf, offering a sustainable, efficient and powerful alternative. The introduction of innovative, new hybrid systems in the eighth generation of Golf vehicles marks a new era for the brand with regard to drive technology. In the future, Volkswagen will gradually electrify almost every vehicle in its range of models. The company is offering a first look at the future of electrified drive systems as part of the International Vienna Motor Symposium – one of the world’s most important congresses on the automotive technology of today and the future.

      “Electrifying conventional drives will enable us to further reduce consumption and emissions while also increasing dynamics and convenience”, says Dr Frank Welsch, Member of the Board of Management for Volkswagen Passenger Cars with responsibility for Technical Development. Welsch continues: “We are starting this extensive electrification campaign with Volkswagen’s best-selling vehicle to date – the Golf. Our newly developed, cost-effective 48-V mild hybrid will pave the way for introducing this type of technology to the mainstream”.

      Volkswagen will combine the combustion engine with a 48-V belt-integrated starter generator and a 48-V battery. This sustainable combination represents the gateway to the future of Volkswagen hybrid models. The 48-V mild hybrid makes it possible to “coast” with the combustion engine completely switched off, thereby saving up to 0.3 litres of fuel over 100 kilometres. Moreover, this mild-hybrid solution offers much improved dynamics and convenience as a result of providing an electric boost upon start-up.

      The science behind 48-V technology

      48-V technology represents a new chapter in engine design, enabling drives to be electrified in a cost-efficient manner. The 48-V system will be used in vehicles in addition to the well-known 12-V system. In the case of very small wire cross-sections and a lightweight wiring harness, the 48-V system enables a considerably higher amount of energy to be saved than the 12-V system, e.g. via recuperation when the vehicle brakes. This high level of voltage enables a number of operations, including the actuation of the 48-V belt-integrated starter generator.

      The starter-generator is a true all-rounder. On the one hand, the generator performs the role of alternator and starter. At the same time, it functions as a small, lightweight electric motor that immediately increases drive torque upon start-up by means of an electric boost. The power of the generator is transferred via a belt. The generator also starts the combustion engine – which is switched off as much as possible while the vehicle is moving – in a barely perceptible way. Another versatile element is the 48-V lithium-ion battery. The battery is supplied with energy during a number of operations, including recuperation – i.e. when the vehicle slows down. The starter generator receives the necessary voltage via the battery and the 12-V power supply receives the required voltage via the “DC/DC converter”.

      Welsch continues: “The basic interaction of different energy sources – electricity, petrol, diesel and natural gas – represents a paradigm shift at Volkswagen. For the first time, the company will simultaneously offer product lines such as the Golf with conventional, electrically assisted drives as well as product lines such as the I.D. with purely electrical drives in the future”. This will result in the product lines diverging into two branches which are nevertheless equal. This new product strategy will come into play for the first time from 2019 onwards with the launch of the next generation of the Golf and the first I.D. – two compact Volkswagen vehicles with completely separate technical concepts as well as clearly different design make-ups. With these two product lines, Volkswagen is seizing the opportunity to democratise the electrification of vehicles.
      https://www.motor1.com/news/240367/v...8-mild-hybrid/

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      I think these new 48 volt systems are going to be a game changer. Just look at the size of those components! Yeah, I suppose a bigger battery would be good to get more electric use out of it, but these aren't intended to be a full hybrid, just boost the gas engine and only in certain limited situations supplant it.

      Do we know if they'll be on manual cars or if all upcoming models going to be automatics?
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      2020 VW Golf R Rumored To Have 400 Horsepower

      Did you hear that, Mercedes-AMG A45?

      Work on the next generation Volkswagen Golf is well underway and the German manufacturer plans to put the model into production in June next year. The automaker is already testing prototypes of the eight-gen hatchback and is preparing for its assembly with a huge $2.2-billion investment.

      The new Golf will spawn a number of versions, including a hardcore Golf R hot hatch, which is said to become the most extreme Golf in the history. A new report from Auto Express claims the mega hatch will have 400 horsepower (298 kilowatts) thanks to a mild-hybrid powertrain. The information was confirmed to the British magazine by the brand’s sales and marketing boss, Jürgen Stackmann.

      “The R brand is going extreme,” he commented. “The role of R is that it can go beyond the rational, nobody needs a compact car with 400 hp, but is there a place [for it?]. Certainly, and that’s the turf of R.”

      The identity of the motor under the hood remains a mystery so far, but Auto Express suggests the car will use the same mechanical layout as the model that’s still on sale today. That means a 2.0-liter, four-cylinder turbocharged engine will send power to all four wheels, through a dual-clutch seven-speed automatic gearbox and the company’s 4Motion AWD system.

      The internal combustion engine will be supported by a mild-hybrid technology using a 48-volt electric system. It will provide electrical boost during acceleration and will also help the vehicle register better fuel consumption in cities.

      The added power will be in unison with the design, which will be much more dramatic and aggressive than on today’s model. Quad tailpipes, more exposed carbon fiber details, and large air intakes in the bumpers will make the hot hatch easily distinguishable from the standard Golf versions.

      “With a little more expressive design, R can go beyond the rational side of things,” Stackmann explains. “It [the R brand] can find its place in a different league of pure performance and there’s a space where customers are willing to pay a significant amount of money.”
      https://www.motor1.com/news/243618/v...00-horsepower/

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      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      *Hankook tires are appearing as OEM on a bunch of big non-Korean brands; noticed Ford is using them now too. Guess they don't suck anymore?
      Audi is as well. Hankook Ventus S1 EVO2s can be factory installed on the new S5, among others.
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      Trickle-down performance hybridization, hell yeah!



      Or to be more exact, it's continuing to happen!
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      The 2020 Volkswagen Golf May Lose the Wagon To Target BMW: Report

      Early reports on the next-generation Volkswagen Golf, which is currently in development, indicate some major changes are coming for the compact. Things like including a boost in size, a push upmarket, a lot of hybrids and maybe even a simplified range that ditches the wagon.

      All of this should be taken with a grain of salt, of course, but according to Autocar, the next generation of the Golf family is in for a major overhaul. The most surprising part of the report is that the three-door and wagon versions of the Golf may be gone for good in both Europe and America, meaning our beloved Alltrack and SportWagen are likely biting the dust, too.

      If you take a look at Volkswagen’s sales report for August of this year though, the aging MK7 Golf family is down 37.7 percent compared to last year, and the SportWagen model itself is down 49.3 percent in sales so far compared to last year. This probably looks bad for anyone trying to justify keeping the wagon body style around for the next generation.

      Beyond the sad loss of another lovely manual wagon in America, the MK8 Golf will also get a bunch of hybrid powertrains, reportedly including both 12-volt and 48-volt mild hybrid setups.

      Autocar assumes the GTI and R models could get the more powerful 48-volt system while the lower trims get 12-volt systems, and that seems like a safe bet. The new hybrid GTI is expected to get a decent power boost over the current model, which is already a hoot to drive.

      What’s weird about the report, though, is that Autocar claims VW is pushing the Golf upmarket, and it will grow in size to grab shoppers downsizing from the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes C-Class. In the VW family this move is also said to help avoid overlap with Skoda, but here in America that’s not a problem we have.

      The report indicates the MQB platform the current golf sits on will be stretched wider and the wheelbase will get longer, and the new car will have more cargo space to show for it. You know what else has more cargo space than the current Golf? The Golf’s wagon variants. (Also, we’ve seen what happened before when VW tried to move upmarket.)

      I don’t really understand how many current 3 Series and C-Class owners will be desperate to turn to the VW Golf, so we’ll see how that pans out. It does fit the trend of just about every classic model abandoning its roots and growing in size and premium offering, only to be replaced by a larger, more expensive new model in the space it used to occupy.

      The exterior styling is reportedly expected to be evolutionary, but tuned to carefully avoid distracting from the upcoming range of electric I.D. vehicles VW plans to unveil around 2020. The interior is expected to get a very digital upgrade as well, and apparently will be devoid of buttons and full of screens. You’ll love it.

      Interestingly, despite the hybrid setups, Autocar hints that a manual option will still be available, at least in Europe, so let’s hope it carries over to America’s GTI model, too. Please don’t take everything away from us.
      https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-volksw...t-b-1828808824

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      Man they're gonna love the dealer experience going from BMW/MB to VW....

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      Ok, so we're back to squinty eye light sizing. Otherwise, it's definitely a Golf.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ryephile View Post
      Ok, so we're back to squinty eye light sizing. Otherwise, it's definitely a Golf.
      That's just a factory boser hood.

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