I will reserve judgement until the actual tests come out since its supposed to be a new version of shawd
I think 355hp is pretty pathetic. Acura makes a huge deal about bringing back the "Type-S" nameplate with a brand new model, lots of fanfare ensues . . . and . . . then . . . it's an also-ran. This is classic modern Acura.
"But it will sell for $6,000 cheaper than an S4!" "But it will be more reliable!" "But it will hold its value better!"
I am sick of this. For once I wanted Acura to say "**** it" and build an S4/M340i/E43 killer. Instead, they built car that appears to be ALMOST as good, but not quite. Sound familiar?
As I stated earlier in this thread, there is no mechanical reason they couldn't do a 400hp engine. It would still have a lower power/displacement ratio than a 2.0T Accord.
Once again, Acura took the safe route.
Maybe I will change my mind when I drive it. But for now? Yawn.
Originally Posted by cockerpunk
The Honda I liked growing up built cars like the original NSX and the Integra GS-R, and the S2000, and they had this awesome wonderful high-raving engines, and they weren't perfect because they were down on torque, but they had character. They had this feeling like "if you want torque, go buy something else, we built this because it revs to the moon and that's fun and you need to work to keep it in the power band but we've given you the world's best stick shift with which to do it so it's an ffing blast, not a chore, go have fun. And oh by the way beat the snot out of it because it will last forever and takes the same maintenance as that Civic over there."
That was FUN, that was INTERESTING and EXCITING.
Now H/A is like a nerd with glasses on saying "well we calculated that you're only going to need this much horsepower and thus that much brakes and so we built exactly that because it's efficient and blah blah blah" and no one cares.
When I got my Jeep, I looked at a Ridgeline long and hard. And I almost got one. But what I kept coming back to was the idea that they gave you exactly the capacity they thought you might need as a homeowner. And that's probably smart, and good for business and everything. But goddamn is it depressing and boring. "Hey we know your life is boring and sucks and basically the most exciting thing you do is go to the home center on the weekend and get some mulch so that's what this truck can do."
How bleak and terrible. So instead I went out and got a first-year Jeep/Chrysler/Fiat product that will probably burst into flames at any moment, and one of its claims to fame is that you can, in 10 minutes, fold the windshield down. Why on earth would you want to fold the windshield down? I have no friggin' idea, it's stupid. But I love that you CAN because Jeep is sitting there going "Yeah I dunno why you morons might want to fold the windshield down, that's idiotic, but you wanted it so here's a toolkit to do it and a little card that gives you instructions on how, go have fun you big dumbass." And that attitude is pervasive through the whole thing. Do you need 30" of water fording capacity? Almost certainly not, but not only are we going to give it to you, we're going to put a placard on the tailgate telling you that you can so when you're loading mulch at Home Depot you can daydream about "dammit next weekend I'm taking this thing into the woods and going water fording and I have no idea why but doesn't that sound like fun?" You know what you daydream about when you're loading mulch into a Ridgeline? Probably doing your taxes or making meatloaf for dinner or hoping you get creamed by a semi on the way home so you don't have to make another $500 payment on this $40k load of bleakness you've bought into.
And that's the same cynicism in this TLX. "Well technically the competitors have precisely an average of 352.87 horsepower so we gave it the same thing so it's class competitive and oil changes cost $25 less and it will be worth $1700 more when you trade it away in 5 ennui-filled years."
It's what you NEED, but you know what I WANT? Stuff that I don't need. More capability for the sake of having capability.
Maybe it will drive like sex, I dunno. But probably not.
Frankly I think people should be happy Acura put any money into this whatsoever.......................... sport sedans are dying in their only market, so this is purely a marketing/branding exercise.
I agree that it's probably wise to actually wait and drive the car before totally writing it off. Seems stupid to complain about how great Acura used to be, but then also complain that they don't fulfill all your hopes and dreams with a girthy spec sheet. Acuras, including the real NSX, were always underspecced and underpriced compared to the Germans, and had to be driven to be appreciated. This is actually the first Acura since the TL SH-AWD that can actually be mentioned in the same conversation as German offerings.
All this thread needs is a "mAn I hOpE tHeY pUt A 6mT iN iT.... i'D 'SeRiOuSlY cOnSiDeR iT'" to go round out "meaningless **** dudes say about cars on the internet to sound like enthusiasts" bingo.
Honestly it would have made more sense for Acura to replace this with a damn crossover and yet people are still not satisfied.
Honda/Acura were NEVER famous for selling big HP products. Even when in their "golden (vtec) era", their cars were never about big HP. It was more like high output with a relative small engine (HP/L). The very first Honda/Acura that emphasis high HP is probably the 2nd gen NSX which is a sales failure.
I really don't need Acura to directly compete with German leasing special brands. Acura is always just a Honda+ to me. I rather Acura give something much better than Honda current offering like this TLX Type S than something old and outdated with a more expensive badge like ILX (a tard up 9th gen Civic ). Why the fxxk I want to buy a 20xx ILX when I can buy a 10th gen Civic sedan, coupe, si, Type R??
Think twice to ask for Acura (Lexus) to make products that will comparatively compete with the German leasing special brands - vehicle that run good for 4 years and artificially jacked up the residual value so they can lease for $500/month.
Most of the people I know are buying Acura/Lexus and leasing BMW/Mercedes/Audi.
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Hoping or expecting for Acura to blow the spec sheets out of the water, or even worse, writing off the car before even driving it, displays a fundamental misunderstanding of the brand and its history
If I were in the market for such a car this TLX would be one of the first things I'd check out. Specs are just one piece of the puzzle
To a degree I share your frustration... for example the 2G Legend literally had everything in place to go RWD besides a driveshaft + rear diff + accommodating suspension, but they didn't. That's just what Acura does
So what can Acura bring to the table to sway shoppers from the German big 3? Absolutely nothing; someone with their heart set on an M340i/S4/C43 wouldn't be caught dead in an Acura (gag me with a spoon, I can't EVEN), no matter how good it is. Excuses like platform potential, motorsport cred and other horse**** would begin flying immediately. So Acura might have benchmarked those cars but this thing's main's competitors will be cars like the G70, Stinger, CT5, IS, Q50 etc., against which it compares very favorably.
Germans don't even care about sport sedans anymore; all the originality and uniqueness is gone in pursuit of numbers and cost-friendly iteration. If the leaders aren't trying why should anyone else?
There are lots of little things.
Look at the brakes on a German car and compare them to a Japanese one. My TSX used to cook its brakes after slowing the car from 80 to 50 a few times in the freeway; that doesn’t happen with the Germans. My mom’s A6 2.0T has gigantic stoppers in comparison. Acura used to know better, they did Brembos on the TL-S. Then they cheaped out and their brakes sucked.
I can’t help but think… If Pontiac was still around today, the TLX Type-S is the kind of car they would have made. To me it’s over styled inside and out with no one cohesive design theme. It just seems like bits and pieces of different visions put together. Though, I would have to say Pontiac would probably have put a ridiculously big motor in it because they have access to the other divisions and their drive trains. As much as Acura tries, they are still just “Honda plus”.
And BMW was notorious for having underspecced brakes on their full on ///M cars for a long time. Do you actually have a point or are you just doing your best choccofrappe impression?