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    1. #51
      Quote Originally Posted by col.mustard View Post
      i like the exterior, love the interior; but like the camry, at almost 16ft long, it's far too long for me, and won't ever even be on my radar.
      Agreed. That's, what, almost two feet longer than a Golf R? That can't help its tossability.

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    3. #52
      At least it's got it's share of buttons, which means not being reliant on the infotainment screen. That never was a good idea.
      You can’t take advantage of “record low” gas prices when you have nowhere to drive. And it’s not really more affordable if you don’t have a paycheck to buy it with.

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      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post
      At least it's got it's share of buttons, which means not being reliant on the infotainment screen. That never was a good idea.
      tell that to audi who just adopted acura's dual screen from the last generation lol
      Quote Originally Posted by konigwheels View Post
      Wow, it amazes me that we have children in here that can't read a couple paragraphs. No wonder America's doing so well in education! Can't take the time to read, but sure can find the time to post. Self indulgence at it's finest.

      TL;DR should be banned and changed to ID;CR or I'm dumb, can't read.

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      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Affordability is a spectrum. MSRPs on BMWs are almost irrelevant as the majority of them are leased. So if Acura plays that game and your driving fits within the mileage constraints, maybe it could work.

      But honestly, if your '94 Prelude is your current ride, a 10-15 year old TL Type-S will feel like a brand new car. Everything is relative.

      As for this thing's success, I think it will do well in the long term. Def better than letting the current TLX languish, which frankly wasn't super competitive 5 years ago. I think Honda is better positioned to weather the storm than a lot of its competitors in this space, so I could definitely see this taking market share away from competitors who either close up shop or don't have the money/will for updates.
      Oh, I haven't had the Prelude in more than 5 years, I live downtown in Toronto and walk to work, saving money doing the whole millennial thing. When it comes time to however I'll be looking at something around the 30ish range...hoping it'll drop down to those levels in 2-3 years. I just don't see it being a big seller in these times now that stimulus packages are reaching their end-of-life. We'll see it's tough to say.

    6. #55
      I don't think anyone counting on a stimulus is looking to buy a $40-50K car. At least I would hope not. I think this thing's market is immune to the economic conditions, at least in the short term.
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      I don't think anyone counting on a stimulus is looking to buy a $40-50K car. At least I would hope not. I think this thing's market is immune to the economic conditions, at least in the short term.
      That's the thing with this pandemic and the shutdown - people from all classes are losing their jobs, not just on the lower end of the scale. Entire industries will be wiped out and/or significantly changed which usually comes with many losing jobs permanently. People who are doing well probably won't be looking at this Acura compared to German + Lexus offerings anyway. Look at how well the new NSX did - its price was its biggest problem.

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      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      $40K will probably be the base price up there

      I could see the Type-S being $60K for Canadians
      I hope not, at least not in the lowest trim.

      Current TLX A-Spec V6 TLX SH-AWD range from CA$44400 to CA$48000, including T&P.

      BTW CA$48000 is like US$35000; cars are rather cheap here.

      Then the RDX A-Spec range from 52 to 56K, with no special engine. My bet is 54-58K. All CDN.

      I enjoyed my TLX 2016 SH-AWD, but from my Audi B9, I would miss A SHIFTER (I use it in manual mode daily) and just a smaller car. My TLX felt wide and I appreciate the narrow body of my car. Probably more an impression than any actual measurement.
      Last edited by BlakeV; 05-30-2020 at 05:39 PM.

    9. #58
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      Oh, I haven't had the Prelude in more than 5 years, I live downtown in Toronto and walk to work, saving money doing the whole millennial thing. When it comes time to however I'll be looking at something around the 30ish range...hoping it'll drop down to those levels in 2-3 years. I just don't see it being a big seller in these times now that stimulus packages are reaching their end-of-life. We'll see it's tough to say.
      You're delusional. When has prices on items such as automobiles ever gone down relative to their predecessors because of a recession? It didn't happen during the last recession and it won't happen now. What did happen, however, is demand for used cars went up, as did their prices, to the point where it was better to buy new than used. That's how supply and demand works. If you don't like it keep walking. And it's kind of ridiculous you making any arguments when you don't even know what the current prices are. A new Honda in the US can cost over $40K, which is almost $55K CAD. If you think an Acura is going to cost less than that then the coronavirus may have affected your mental faculties.
      Last edited by Reisner; 05-31-2020 at 04:47 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      $40K will probably be the base price up there

      I could see the Type-S being $60K for Canadians
      I hope not, at least not in the lowest trim.

      Current TLX A-Spec V6 TLX SH-AWD range from CA$44400 to CA$48000, including T&P.

      BTW CA$48000 is like US$35000; cars are rather cheap here. <img src="https://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/thumbup.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thumb Up" class="inlineimg" />

      Then the RDX A-Spec range from 52 to 56K, with no special engine. My bet is 54-58K. All CDN.

      I enjoyed my TLX 2016 SH-AWD, but from my Audi B9, I would miss A SHIFTER (I use it in manual mode daily) and just a smaller car. My TLX felt wide and I appreciate the narrow body of my car. Probably more an impression than any actual measurement.
      I've always wondered why this is? It's like they set the USD price and then charge the same in Canada even the currency is about 75% the value. &#x1f937;&#x200d;&#x2642;&#xfe0f;

      Either the US is getting screwed or car companies don't make any money in Canada.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      That's the thing with this pandemic and the shutdown - people from all classes are losing their jobs, not just on the lower end of the scale. Entire industries will be wiped out and/or significantly changed which usually comes with many losing jobs permanently. People who are doing well probably won't be looking at this Acura compared to German + Lexus offerings anyway. Look at how well the new NSX did - its price was its biggest problem.
      A $50K car is a $50K car and a $500 lease payment is a $500 lease payment. If that market gets spanked the Germans will feel it too.

      And the NSX' problem was an issue of value, not price. Objectively it was well priced- one could even say a bargain. The problem is nobody is buying a $150-200K sports car for purely objective reasons. The new NSX just doesn't have the emotional appeal of something like a 911 GT3 or Lamborghini.

      That gap is nowhere as big in the TLX' space. A lease spec German sedan is not that special. They mainly sell on cheap leases and badge power. This thing looks to be on par with something like an A4, so if they get the leases right this should do OK. I can see it taking a lot of volume from the Q50/S60/G70 and other second tier players.
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

    12. #61
      Quote Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post
      I hope not, at least not in the lowest trim.

      Current TLX A-Spec V6 TLX SH-AWD range from CA$44400 to CA$48000, including T&P.

      BTW CA$48000 is like US$35000; cars are rather cheap here.

      Then the RDX A-Spec range from 52 to 56K, with no special engine. My bet is 54-58K. All CDN.

      I enjoyed my TLX 2016 SH-AWD, but from my Audi B9, I would miss A SHIFTER (I use it in manual mode daily) and just a smaller car. My TLX felt wide and I appreciate the narrow body of my car. Probably more an impression than any actual measurement.
      There's no way a car higher up in the range with a special engine will only cost $2K more. For all intents and purposes the TLX Type-S will be Acura's flagship, and will be priced as such (with DMA of course ) $60K on either side of the border is what I'm thinking.
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      I hope the steering feel isn't as boosty as my 2018's was. Low communication there.

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      waiting on the turbo 6 specs (anything over 350hp hopefully) before I get too excited.
      but looks like a great vehicle from Acura.

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      I think Canadians are going to be in for some sticker shock. A base RDX starts at $43,000 CAD. A poverty spec 330xi is $53,000 CAD. Acura has been very clear that they no longer want them to just be "nicer Hondas" and they are anticipating that average transaction prices are going to rise to go along with the superior product.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Reisner View Post
      You're delusional. When has prices on items such as automobiles ever gone down relative to their predecessors because of a recession? It didn't happen during the last recession and it won't happen now. What did happen, however, is demand for used cars went up, as did their prices, to the point where it was better to buy new than used. That's how supply and demand works. If you don't like it keep walking. And it's kind of ridiculous you making any arguments when you don't even know what the current prices are. A new Honda in the US can cost over $40K, which is almost $55K CAD. If you think an Acura is going to cost less than that then the coronavirus may have affected your mental faculties.
      lol easy there, not sure why you're so upset. Anyway, I think it's pretty clear that this recession is unlike any we've seen. It's already dwarfed 2008 and once stimulus checks run out, it'll likely get worse. Entire industries have shifted (which effects everyone across classes) and things will likely be unstable for the next couple of years at least. What does that have to do with this? Well, now when you have a huge portion of the middle class that are jobless and/or concerned about their future, they're less likely to spend money on frivolous things...like a new car...or used for that matter.

      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      A $50K car is a $50K car and a $500 lease payment is a $500 lease payment. If that market gets spanked the Germans will feel it too.

      And the NSX' problem was an issue of value, not price. Objectively it was well priced- one could even say a bargain. The problem is nobody is buying a $150-200K sports car for purely objective reasons. The new NSX just doesn't have the emotional appeal of something like a 911 GT3 or Lamborghini.

      That gap is nowhere as big in the TLX' space. A lease spec German sedan is not that special. They mainly sell on cheap leases and badge power. This thing looks to be on par with something like an A4, so if they get the leases right this should do OK. I can see it taking a lot of volume from the Q50/S60/G70 and other second tier players.
      I think you're right about the value, which is kind of agreeing with my point. Value has everything to do with the cost of the product compared to what else is offered right? We've had this argument a million times before and I don't think the reality has changed. When it comes down to the $40-50k range, people with that kind of money usually think that it makes more sense to spend it on something that is "worth" it, like a "high end" BMW/Audi/Jag/Lexus..cars that have historically always cost that much.

      That's the problem with Acura and all these other premium brands trying to move up. Acura's product line has been shifting so much since its inception and has been in a weird phase in the last 10 years (at least their sedans have). I just think it'll be a hard sell when Acura thinks it can just waltz in with a similarly priced product (despite how good it actually is) and expect people to suddenly have a change of heart. This is why brand image matters a lot when you get to this price point.

      This is exactly why Lexus is able to compete, it's been consistent since the very beginning. Consistent ethos, consistent build quality, pricing etc. Infiniti, Acura, Cadillac, Genesis simply have been all over the map. They need a few generations of consistent products in order to be considered seriously in the same segment.

    17. #66
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima;114422183


      I think you're right about the value, which is kind of agreeing with my point. Value has everything to do with the cost of the product compared to what else is offered right? We've had this argument a million times before and I don't think the reality has changed. When it comes down to the $40-50k range, people with that kind of money usually think that it makes more sense to spend it on something that is "worth" it, like a "high end" BMW/Audi/Jag/Lexus..cars that have historically always cost that much.

      That's the problem with Acura and all these other premium brands trying to move up. Acura's product line has been shifting so much since its inception and has been in a weird phase in the last 10 years (at least their sedans have). I just think it'll be a hard sell when Acura thinks it can just waltz in with a similarly priced product (despite how good it actually is) and expect people to suddenly have a change of heart. This is why brand image matters a lot when you get to this price point.

      This is exactly why Lexus is able to compete, it's been [B
      consistent[/B] since the very beginning. Consistent ethos, consistent build quality, pricing etc. Infiniti, Acura, Cadillac, Genesis simply have been all over the map. They need a few generations of consistent products in order to be considered seriously in the same segment.
      Not sure what you're suggesting. Acura has been phoning it in, yes. If they want to change perceptions they have to start with good product. And if they believe in their product they can't really charge store brand pricing for it. Is Acura ever gonna sell 75K TLXs the way BMW sells 3/4s? No. But if they can maintain their volume while raising their ATPs and brand perception they won IMO. Setting up unrealistic expectations (i.e. a FWD based non German sedan ever competing on the level of something like a 3 series) is an easy way to guarantee failure.... but it's a strawman argument IMO; Acura knows they won't ever match or surpass the Germans in brand perception or volume x ATP. But if they can bring some excitement back to the brand and make some more money they have done well. And I think this will accomplish that.
      Last edited by CTK; 05-31-2020 at 06:00 PM.
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Not sure what you're suggesting. Acura has been phoning it in, yes. If they want to change perceptions they have to start with good product. And if they believe in their product they can't really charge store brand pricing for it. Is Acura ever gonna sell 75K TLXs the way BMW sells 3/4s? No. But if they can maintain their volume while raising their ATPs and brand perception they won IMO. Setting up unrealistic expectations (i.e. a FWD based non German sedan ever competing on the level of something like a 3 series) is an easy way to guarantee failure.... but it's a strawman argument IMO; Acura knows they won't ever match or surpass the Germans in brand perception or volume x ATP. But if they can bring some excitement back to the brand and make some more money they have done well. And I think this will accomplish that.
      I guess it's the age-old question on car forums lol. What is Acura trying to be? Where is it trying to fit in now? Will it stay there? The price suggests that they're approaching entry level BMW/A4 territory and around there is where I think Prestige Points start to matter more. Anyway, regardless of my armchair analysis, I really do hope Acura knocks it out of the park with this one. I was always rooting for a true successor to the 07-08 TL Type S and I think it's finally come.

      This also gives me hope for a legit ILX Type S with a manual.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      lol easy there, not sure why you're so upset. Anyway, I think it's pretty clear that this recession is unlike any we've seen. It's already dwarfed 2008 and once stimulus checks run out, it'll likely get worse. Entire industries have shifted (which effects everyone across classes) and things will likely be unstable for the next couple of years at least. What does that have to do with this? Well, now when you have a huge portion of the middle class that are jobless and/or concerned about their future, they're less likely to spend money on frivolous things...like a new car...or used for that matter.



      I think you're right about the value, which is kind of agreeing with my point. Value has everything to do with the cost of the product compared to what else is offered right? We've had this argument a million times before and I don't think the reality has changed. When it comes down to the $40-50k range, people with that kind of money usually think that it makes more sense to spend it on something that is "worth" it, like a "high end" BMW/Audi/Jag/Lexus..cars that have historically always cost that much.

      That's the problem with Acura and all these other premium brands trying to move up. Acura's product line has been shifting so much since its inception and has been in a weird phase in the last 10 years (at least their sedans have). I just think it'll be a hard sell when Acura thinks it can just waltz in with a similarly priced product (despite how good it actually is) and expect people to suddenly have a change of heart. This is why brand image matters a lot when you get to this price point.

      This is exactly why Lexus is able to compete, it's been consistent since the very beginning. Consistent ethos, consistent build quality, pricing etc. Infiniti, Acura, Cadillac, Genesis simply have been all over the map. They need a few generations of consistent products in order to be considered seriously in the same segment.
      This calamity was deliberate. It wasn't a natural recession in any sense of the word so we won't know how it'll shake out So let's not assume that things will be worse than 2008 since the West is undoing what it deliberately did two months ago.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      I guess it's the age-old question on car forums lol. What is Acura trying to be? Where is it trying to fit in now? Will it stay there? The price suggests that they're approaching entry level BMW/A4 territory and around there is where I think Prestige Points start to matter more. Anyway, regardless of my armchair analysis, I really do hope Acura knocks it out of the park with this one. I was always rooting for a true successor to the 07-08 TL Type S and I think it's finally come.

      This also gives me hope for a legit ILX Type S with a manual.
      Hope you like FWD then (Type R)
      I'd expect ILX-S + AWD will be an auto, likely the TLX 4cyl drivetrain

      Acura has typically been lux value. When comparing against das germans you need to equip the vehicles with the same/similar features, Acura will come with at least some of those features standard for at much less $$

      My bet, TLX -S will be in the mid $50s creep towards 60k, with every feature Acura has to offer on a sedan compared to an equally equip BMW/Audi would be +$5-10k if maybe not more.
      Over the years I did this comparison a few times because my brother was shopping for an M3 boasting how finally after all these years he would finally buy one.
      Came home with an RC-F sport fully loaded, and told me the M3 with same features was $90k and Lexus game him $20k off the RC-f and brought it home for mid $60s because he has leased 2 vehicles from them. ... I was surprised and started comparing Acura out of curiosity, I don't remember at that time what TLX delta was but the RLX was like +$20k for a 5 series if I recall.... and the RLX came with every single feature standard, there was nothing to add besides comedic stuff like the terrible accessory wheels
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      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      This also gives me hope for a legit ILX Type S with a manual.
      Never gonna happen.... better chance Acura will replace the ILX with the CDX honestly. I don't understand this fixation with the manual transmission.
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      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JitteryJoe View Post
      I've always wondered why this is? It's like they set the USD price and then charge the same in Canada even the currency is about 75% the value. &#x1f937;&#x200d;&#x2642;&#xfe0f;

      Either the US is getting screwed or car companies don't make any money in Canada.
      Deals are much harder to come by in Canada vs the US in my experience, especially with leases which seems to even out the price discrepancy. A sub 1K lease on a BMW M3 would be $1500+ in Canada. I see guys on here getting into Audi E-Trons for nothing, those are 100K up here. My neighbor pays $800/month to lease an X3 (M sport, 4 cylinder) and that's pretty typical.

      Tesla is about the only MFG who takes the US price, multiplies by the current exchange rate (roughly) and that's how they determine the price. 75K for a Model 3 Performance.

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      I really like the exterior. I thought the interior was dated until I saw the interior of the current TLX, so it's a pretty big improvement. I'll echo that it falls behind when compared to the Germans, but still not too bad. A digital dash would have been nice since the Germans all offer it. Other than that, bring on the V6 specs.

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      I’m definitely intrigued. I also like how this is Honda’s first DOHC V6 since the old C-series in the NSX.


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      I think the current NSX has a DOHC V6 too. I'm pretty sure I read that in the marketing materials

      I find that a bit odd as SOHC actually lends itself nicely to turbocharging.... as I understand it boost reduces the need to vary overlap through the rev range, though the ability to retard/advance overall cam timing is still useful. But w/e, probably doesn't matter at this point

      Def curious to see what kind of power the 10AT can handle; I really think the torque is close to the box's limit.
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      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      Looks awesome ,I hope it sells well.
      Getting a TSX vibe from it ,which was such a classic looking car ,in first and second generations .
      I think tail lights are more TSX in shape than Mazda or ILX .

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