I would have preferred a 3 door hatch and wagon instead of (now) only getting the 5 door going forward.
I love the subtlety of the Golf R and balance of daily drivability with performance. Track times be are impressive on paper and for the cool factor but not really translated well on the streets. A $700 tune would also take care of any "lack of performance". So if I have to have one car to do it all for around $40K, it would be the Golf R.
What I care about slightly more than performance is interior quality and that is where the Golf R stands apart from the rest of the market along with its subtlety. The CTR offers amazing performance, there's no doubt about that. But I think I would feel a little ridiculous driving it around town as a daily, as with the Focus RS. And their interiors are cheaper feeling and ride quality less comfortable. Track times be damned.
As far as I know, I don't think there is a RWD or AWD performance hatch/wagon, that can fit two bikes in the back, with as nice of an interior as a Golf R for around $40K. The only contenders stateside that I know of are the E63S Wagon and RS6 Avant, both of which would obviously blow the Golf R away in all aspects... but they're also $70K+ more expensive. So if you look at it that way, the Golf R is the luxury performance hatch bargain of the decade
A turbo Mazda 3 could be tempting if the rumors hold true.
Have never test driven or been in one before.IMO,they do seem a bit overpriced.The weak clutch issue would definitely worry me if I were to buy one.They are quite nice looking,though
I my R32
it's the best VW evar!
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TCL had similar discussions way back when the Mk6 R arrived in North America. I feel like folks still haven't wrapped their brains around the idea that, despite using the letter 'R', the Golf R is not meant to be an STI/Evo/Type R competitor. VW has actually said it's for European customers who outgrow their GTIs but want to stay with the brand. They're a bit older, have more disposable cash, and want a car that does everything the GTI does but with more luxury and autobahn capability. Stock-for-stock, it's really more of a Super GTI.
Of course if you want to tune for power, the R obviously has more potential.
This thread is really making me miss my Alltrack, and all my other past VWs for that matter. Now that the Alltrack SEL is available with a manual it would be really hard to choose between that and a Golf R. Esp since you can slap an IS38 on the Alltrack for about $1500. A little low goes a looong way on an Alltrack too...
My roommate has an Alltrack S and I kind of regret not getting an Alltrack over the GSW. His looks so good lowered on aggressive wheels. I just opted for the GSW over the Alltrack as I didn't want the pleather seats and plastic cladding at the time (had a Crosstrek before and was kind of tired of the black plastic look).
More like the most understated
As stated, it is not the best at any one thing....but it does seem to be the highest common denominator if you are looking for:
- Performance oriented
- no goofy boy-racer fins
- great leg room
- no over-styled red/orange racy lines
- not a Hyundai
- no red logos
- comfortable/classy interior
- perfect if you don't want a luxury marque
- Sleeper on various fronts - non car people think it's a Golf, brand conscious people just see a VW.
Main downside FOR ME in almost 8 years of ownership has been the gas mileage.
2013 4 Door Golf R - CSG
Understated in looks, yet not that great a performer, so not really a sleeper per se.
Interior not any better than a GTI, yet priced 25% higher for the AWD, but loses the trick LSD. So a bit of a wash.
It is really just for a very narrow niche of people looking for a very specific cr, vs say the GTI which can cover a far wider swath of the car buying public since its price range is $25-35k dollars. So it can a cheap fun fwd hatch, or a loaded hatch or anything in between.
They are still available new on dealer lots so it counts. Plus the SEL is significantly more than just "pleather seats and plastic cladding" it has better lights, better wheels, navigation, parking sensors, driver assistance package standard and significantly better seats. The seats alone are worth stepping up to an SEL. Ive had 6 VWs and 2 Audis with sunroofs and not a single one had issues. I chalk the leaky sunroofs up to being "squeaky wheel gets the grease" type of enthusiast forum BS.
(And yes, the SEL seats are amazing).
The R is not great at anything and it’s is not bad at anything. It just does everything well. It’s for a certain type of person. They know what they have, and most do not
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VIR is one of the most wide open tracks I've raced.
I mean it's not Road America, but neither is anything else.
There is some technical from T1-5, then wide open up the hill unitl Oak Tree, then loooooonnnnnngggg straight to a few technical turns and back on the front straight.
3 long high speed sections.
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