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    View Poll Results: Sacrilegious or Stupendous? My first FWD-based performance hatchback thingy purchase

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    • Sacreligious! BMW should not be in FWD platform!!!

      15 34.88%
    • Stupendous! That's a great lookin' ride Uber!

      12 27.91%
    • Sacreligous! You should've bought another EV...

      8 18.60%
    • Neither. This is what you should've bought instead...

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      Sacrilegious or Stupendous? My first FWD-based performance hatchback thingy purchase!

      So after much discussion with fellow TCLers and TFLers, I decided to get me the first FWD, Transeverly mounted engine, quasi-CUV BMW. I've had RWD based BMWs before this, but this one takes the cake.

      Introducing Uber Wagon's 2020 X2 M35i.



      Pros

      -Sounds exhilarating
      -Drives well
      -Tenacious grip
      -Faster than 302hp rating suggests
      -Most powerful 4-cylinder in BMW lineup
      -Looks and feels angry all the time
      -Steering feedback (yes, steering feedback!)
      -Small turning circle
      -Hatchback versatility
      -Limited slip differential (first front LSD from BMW)

      Cons

      -Exhilarating sounds can get tiring
      -Rides stiffer than Focus RS
      -No manuel option
      -Looks and feels angry all the time, scares small dogs and children
      -Ginormous blind spots yet no blind spot detection available
      -Slight understeer at the limits (very slight)
      -Backseat has no headroom
      -Cargo space is laughable
      -Identity crisis: is it a hot hatch or a bonafide CUV?

      Verdict

      Uber Wagon trades in Audi S3 for an updated and more powerful S3 with a backpack.

      I am so excited. This car is fun to drive, good on fuel, and has exclusivity.

      Since this is Uber Wagon's post. I'm gonna make it a poll! Let me know what you guys think of my new ride. I'll post more pics.









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      Last edited by Uber Wagon; 10-15-2020 at 09:58 AM.
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      I like it from every angle except the rear.. How many M badges does it have?
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      Looks nice , new, and different. Wasn’t expecting a BMW but nice pick up


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      Quote Originally Posted by burgerbob View Post
      I like it from every angle except the rear.. How many M badges does it have?
      I counted nine:

      -Steering wheel
      -Rear hatch
      -kick plates
      -Alloy wheels
      -Engine cover
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      Conversations overheard in Leipzig:

      ”Hey Han’s, I don’t think there are enough roundels on this one... can we slap a couple somewhere else?..”

      ” Sure, how about on the c-pillar !!”

      “Wunderbar!!!
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      Quote Originally Posted by mk6ChrisKing View Post
      Looks nice , new, and different. Wasn’t expecting a BMW but nice pick up


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      Thank you!
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      Quote Originally Posted by ohiodub_99.5 View Post
      Conversations overheard in Leipzig:

      ”Hey Han’s, I don’t think there are enough roundels on this one... can we slap a couple somewhere else?..”

      ” Sure, how about on the c-pillar !!”

      “Wunderbar!!!
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      One of these parked next to me at Target 2 weeks ago. It has a lot of presence in person. Sad about the rear cargo space though.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post
      I counted nine:

      -Steering wheel
      -Rear hatch
      -kick plates
      -Alloy wheels
      -Engine cover
      You missed the one on the front plate, which brings it to an even 10.

      I like it but agree that the cargo space leaves something to be desired. With that said, I very rarely stuff my car to the max so that's likely a moot point.
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      Gross. Sorry.
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      My wife wanted a SUV with a manual transmission. I suggested a Wrangler, she said no way, too masculine

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      There are a bunch of styling cues I like about this.

      - the wheels look good
      - the black painted lower trim pieces add some sporty looks
      - I dig the emblem on the C pillar
      - the painted mirrors are a nice touch as well

      Bonus points for being fun to drive!

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      I still can't get into BMW using the M label on an engine that goes that direction.

      Honest question: why does BMW make a CUV that's transverse FWD and another that's the same size but longitudinal RWD?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Phillie Phanatic View Post
      You missed the one on the front plate, which brings it to an even 10.
      I forgot that one. Thanks.

      Quote Originally Posted by Phillie Phanatic View Post

      I like it but agree that the cargo space leaves something to be desired. With that said, I very rarely stuff my car to the max so that's likely a moot point.
      Trunk area is about as big as my Audi S3. Hatchback versatility does allow more flexibility. I do agree, though. I probably won't use them as much.

      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Gross. Sorry.
      Believe it or not, I think it's kinda ugly too. But its brilliant performance more than makes up for the its ho-hum looks.
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      For a runabout DD, spot on. Don't know if I can get past the price though personally. Either way, its not the M235i GC so I approve.

      Also, the C-pillar roundrels...I've liked them since the X2 debuted. Its a cool little flourish that would look ridiculous for most other makes, but I think the X2 pulls it off.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post




      Well, you got the typical BMW driver parking down.

      Reminds me of tall hatch, like the Golf Plus.
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      Congrats on the purchase!

      Steering feel in a modern BMW?

      Rides firmer than a Focus RS? I didn't think that was possible in a similar car.

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      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      I still can't get into BMW using the M label on an engine that goes that direction.
      I was skeptical too. That's why I'm saying X2 M35i could've been sacreligous product. But one test drive convinced me that this car was worthy of M Performance badge.

      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      Honest question: why does BMW make a CUV that's transverse FWD and another that's the same size but longitudinal RWD?
      Good question, actually. BMW X1 and X2 is the result of global product strategy. Subcompact CUVs are hot right now, and BMW had to utilize a cheaper FWD architecture to compete other FWD CUVs like Audi Q3, Mercedes GLA, Lexus NX/UX, and now defunct Infiniti QX something something. BMW X1 and X2 share its powertrain and chassis with Mini Cooper Countryman, and it worked for BMW's product portfolio. I shopped MINI Countryman John Cooper Works against my X2 M35i. X1 sells really well-it's the least expensive BMW CUV in US, and they are selling these faster than MAGA hats at Trump rally.

      MINI Cooper works well as a CUV-cargo area is massive and rear seats are comfortable for a small growing family. FWD makes development costs lower, hence people that want RWD goodness can still get X3 for thousands more dollars. I shopped for a X3 M40i initially, but just could not see myself making payments for $65K car.

      I got the X2 M35i because I like that subcompact dimension. While BMW calls it a Sports activity coupe, it's really a hot hatch like VW GTI. MINI John Cooper Works Countryman was more of CUV, boasting bigger space, but it lacked precise steering of BMW and mini-ness dimension. It just felt too big.

      At the end, I am very happy with the decision.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GLI Dan View Post
      For a runabout DD, spot on. Don't know if I can get past the price though personally. Either way, its not the M235i GC so I approve.
      Funny you mention the M235i GC. I would've bought that if it was a hatchback. I would've just kept the Audi S3, if I wanted a sedan. It's far better looking.

      Quote Originally Posted by Meroving1an View Post
      Congrats on the purchase!

      Steering feel in a modern BMW?

      Rides firmer than a Focus RS? I didn't think that was possible in a similar car.
      Thank you! Yes, the steering feel still exists in some M and M Performance offerings from BMW. X2 M35i has sport suspension and other M bits that make the steering feel nicely weighted and I get good feedback from the road. Or maybe that's the harsh suspension jolts that's coming from the road.

      Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
      Well, you got the typical BMW driver parking down.


      Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
      Reminds me of tall hatch, like the Golf Plus.
      Yep. BMW calls X2 M35i a Sports Activity Coupe, but don't let the marketing lingo fool you. What we have here is one of these wearing a roundel:



      Quote Originally Posted by bnkrpt311 View Post
      There are a bunch of styling cues I like about this.

      - the wheels look good
      - the black painted lower trim pieces add some sporty looks
      - I dig the emblem on the C pillar
      - the painted mirrors are a nice touch as well

      Bonus points for being fun to drive!
      THIS!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post
      Believe it or not, I think it's kinda ugly too. But its brilliant performance more than makes up for the its ho-hum looks.
      I wasn’t talking about the looks. I find the whole car offensive. Transverse FWD BMW? Nah son.
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      Sounds like you're happy with it. I'd call that a win! Congrats
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      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      I wasn’t talking about the looks. I find the whole car offensive. Transverse FWD BMW? Nah son.
      This is my seventh BMW, and the first FWD BMW. But I love it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Meroving1an View Post
      Rides firmer than a Focus RS? I didn't think that was possible in a similar car.
      Yeah, that would be a deal breaker for me in any vehicle purporting to be daily drivable.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Canaletto View Post
      Yeah, that would be a deal breaker for me in any vehicle purporting to be daily drivable.
      I have 19" standard rims with all-season tires so the ride is manageable. Optional 20" rims with summer tires are just brutal to a point where it would've been a deal breaker for me too. Rough and stiff ride is the biggest Achilles heel for the X2 M35i imho.
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      Another intentionally impractical CUV.

      X1 would have been better, or the Mini Countryman.
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